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NOT Madoka Magica related,

It seems that Gen Urobuchi will be writing a new Godzilla Anime film this 2017.
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I wasn't saying your commentary on the quality of Gen's work isn't relevant. I'm saying that, if you haven't been following the manga spinoffs, then you are not in a position to being comparing the quality of their writing with the quality of Gen's animated works, as you are not familiar enough with the manga writing (and thus Hiramatsu's writing ability) to make clear and objective comparisons.

Furthermore, I personally think it is somewhat unfair to be making comparisons of writing quality using examples from outside the Madoka Magica franchise, given how (speaking generally) vastly the quality of a writer's product can change in various situations and scenarios, both real life and in the product itself. But, again, that is only my personal opinion, and you're free to ignore it if you like.


>>comparing the quality of their writing with the quality of Gen's animated works

I agree. Which I why I wasn't doing that.

>>making comparisons of writing quality using examples from outside the Madoka Magica franchise

Why not? It's been 100% consistent. Gen has a major hand in the program (like directing the episode or writing the screenplay) = 100% certainty it's going to be awesome. Gen involved in a "name only" sort of role? Different story. That pattern has been consistent for show after show. Though I admit I haven't seen all of Fate/Zero so maybe that's an oddball exception?

It's pretty clear to me that if Gen isn't involved in a major and significant way (not just name-dropping) then the show won't be as good as it could be.

Pyscho-Pass is a great example. The original was fantastic. The sequel was awful. Guess what the only difference was? Gen wrote and directed the original. He had little to do with the sequel except being given credit for the original concept. I'd shudder to think that the same thing could happen to PMMM. It's happened once already, it could easily happen again.


Absolutely everthing where someone else took over for Gen halfway through has been shit, whereas almost everything where Gen had the major role has been great.
F/Z was great. Rakuen Tsuihou is probably the worst Gen work (that wasn't name only) I've witnessed, and that wasn't even that bad.


tbh i liked some of his ideas, because it expanded the PMMM lore
and only few spinoff has done that (Oriko and Tart) something like that, just repeating cliches from the anime series like suzune magica


>> because it expanded the PMMM lore

I'm speaking in general terms here, not specific to any of the PMMM spinoffs, but I think that "lore expansion" is a risky concept.

On the one hand, it's nice because we get to see more content from our favorite show/manga. We want more of a good thing.

On the other hand, it carries a risk because the original bar is so high. More content isn't always a good thing if that content is of worse quality than the original. (i.e. "jumping the shark")

At some point, new content ceases to improve anything and it can only dilute the good (best case) or ruin it by association (worst case). The problem I see here is that PMMM TV & the current 3 movies have set the bar so incredibly high that I'm worried about what the future content would do to the series.

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I've managed to obtain a few Kazumi store bonuses, one of them being a poster from Vol. 3 of the girls, and while attempting to scan it I found this story on the back. The wiki says it's a short story called Rosetta Meteora, and yet there doesn't appear to be a translation nor a scan of it yet.

I'm wondering if I should upload the scan and create a special page for it or anything.
Is there anyone out there that can translate it?


Yeah, it's a good idea. Putting up a page on wiki will help at least preserve it, and maybe have it translated someday.


I'm not sure how to ask for a translation request on the wiki (I'm also not sure about making a new page since someone told me it might not be Rosetta Meteora but something else, idk)


Put up the picture on Kazumi Magica's page and ask for a translation request. Then give the picture it's own page, again asking for a translation request. We can worry about the proper formatting later.


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PMMM starts with what is basically a flash-forward. We see Homura fighting Walpurgisnacht, which is something that actually happens much later in the show. (Same thing in Psycho-Pass, another Gen Urobuchi script—the beginning features a flash-forward to the climatic fight at the end of the show).

Rebellion seems like it follows the same pattern. The opening scene is Homura's monologue about the nature of magical girls, etc. She then goes to state that "I dreamed I saw [Madoka] again", and then the movie progresses from there. So what exactly is Homura's perspective while she is speaking? Is this a flash forward/back situation? Something entirely different?

The question is, which Homura is doing the talking here? Can that perhaps provide any clues as to the transition between TV and Rebellion? Or perhaps offer hints at something post-rebellion?
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The "dream" need not necessarily refer to the events of Rebellion, theoretically speaking. Homura may have literally dreamt of Madoka before her soul gem corrupted. There's also Homura's soul gem tumbling in the picture which could support this.


>>The "dream" need not necessarily refer to the events of Rebellion, theoretically speaking.

Yes, that is certainly possible—in a technical sense anyway. However I think the fact that the dialogue occurs in the opening to Rebellion that the most likely interpretation is that it does indeed refer to the events of Rebellion.

>>Homura may have literally dreamt of Madoka before her soul gem corrupted. There's also Homura's soul gem tumbling in the picture which could support this.

Yes, and that's a very good point. I'm starting to agree more and more with >>12158 about this. It seems most likely that it occurred during the events of Rebellion, but before her change to Homucifer (as evident by both her tone of voice, as well as the soul gem)


To order the possibilities by likelihood, it's probably during the timeframe Homura's investigation of the barrier, maybe some time between the TV series and Rebellion, and least likely post-Rebellion (especially since it's not the 'Homucifer voice' and we have nothing but pure speculation to predict Homura's future form).


What's also interesting is Sayaka's narration in episode 04, where she says something like "in retrospect, I didn't understand the meaning or the price of wishing for a miracle at that time". When does she actually say that?


I'd guess she thought that when she was turning into a witch at Episode 8. A bizarre form of foreshadowing, if you ask me.

Which bring up another question: could this mean that Homura's monologue at the beginning of the movie took place when she was turning into Homucifer?

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Mocha Toffee has posted high-quality scans of chapter 8 of the Wraith Arc:

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At least it's ending soon.




I have no idea how they're going to wrap this up considering this is the second to last chapter. I want to like Wraith Arc but I can't.


>I have no idea how they're going to wrap this up considering this is the second to last chapter.
With some contrived asspull.
>I want to like Wraith Arc but I can't.
I agree entirely.


>With some contrived asspull.

Homura's ai-yo demon power "leaks" and uses it to obliterate the wraith tower in one hit. (like what Saber did to the Cthulhu monster Caster summoned in Fate/Zero)

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I don't get, did Homura absorbed madowraith in the end?


I think Homura was just saving Wraithdoka
The last page is just a flashback to the events at the end of Wraith Arc chapter 3, revealing the main antagonist(?): Homura's shield(?)


This is moksha wraith and not litreally Homura's shield.


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Moksha Wraith in Chapter 3


But somehow Homura's former powers and weapon managed to manifested through the Moksha Wraith

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New Suzune thread, as the other has reached its bump limit.

English scanlations can be downloaded from Silver Garden: http://silvergardentl.blogspot.com/
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I think this is the first time I've ever seen a Jap. have a Tumblr


There are many who owns tumblr accounts anon but they give more attention to their personal blogs,twitter or pixiv accounts


Yup, just like his manga Free!, another slice of life (I think that GAN prefers to write humorous and light stories instead of dark stories like Suzune Magica)
Here is a tumblr with info about Free! (not official)


It shares name with that really popular swimming anime?



This anime is originally called "High Speed!"

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Wraith Arc 8 spoiler
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That is a reference to Fort Da not walpurgis


It's one of the scenes that flashes after Homura goes AI YO, an implication of Madoka's sealed power.


The clara dolls say fort da all the time, it's about that and Freud, not related to Walpurgis


Wait sorry my bad I read Walpurgis not wraithpurgis ans yeah I noticed , I guess is that fort da reference again since it's a symbol of Homura being sad because Madoka is gone


It's the karmic strands of fate repeatedly mentioned throughout the series.

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From my understanding even if you're lobotomized your body's physical make up would still eventually decompose like… a lightbulb in a room left on, or an engine without maintenance, it will eventually ware itself down and ultimately cease to function. In this case death would eventually come to those whose "hearts" are snatched.

I feel that Madoka's world balances out entirely with the witches world. Madoka formulated a world that would equally spread out suffering and not concentrate it to little girl tears, now it's everyone's tears. A wraith does not immediately kill so it is more likely to save people rather than an instant inescapable death from a witch or her labyrinth.

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The former.


well if you look at the PSP game, Madoka slays Walpurgis and there is a moment of stasis, then she starts feeling weird. She then abruptly witches out. there might be something where in that one shot all of her magical energy is actually FORCED out of her, which then causes her to witch out as her magic count is an infinite negative, (meaning even if grief seeds were available they would have no effect) which turns her into Gretchen.


I don't think Kyouko did anything magic with Sayaka's body other than dragging it out of the labyrinth. I guess for most witches, their body is never found because it gets dragged along with them (I'm not sure if it would decompose in this situation). In Sayaka's case, when her body was found, IIRC there was nothing unusual about it except uncertainty about the cause of death. Presumably it was just as rotten as one would expect for however many days it had been since her soul left it.



I don't know if there are any semi-canon sources which specify what Madoka's wish was in the penultimate timeline, but if it was something like, "I wish for the ability to defeat Walpurgisnacht!" then it seems inevitable that she would have just enough magic to do that and only that.


>>I don't think Kyouko did anything magic with Sayaka's body other than dragging it out of the labyrinth.

No, she actively used magic to keep Sayaka's body fresh. There was even dialogue about this in episode 9. Kyoko is shown using her soul gem on Sayaka and QB asks her why she is expending so much magical power on a corpse. It's very clearly stated.

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Post your shelf where you keep your Madoka merch.

I only started supporting the franchise last year and I'm still not sure how I should arrange my manga volumes.
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This is a photo of my current Puella Magi collection


Never seen the two volumes on the top left before.


wait… do you have two of the same poster? I know they are different sizes, but still…


I am crying at the emptyness of my shelf :*(
I envy you.

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Happy Walpurgisnacht everyone :)
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Thanks for your kind words.
My grandmother passed away on All Saints' Day.
We visited her on Sunday and then went to grandfather's grave. She seemed sad that she can't go.
In the late evening we got phone call from our aunt that grandmother is not feeling well. It didn't seem serious. We arrived after a few minutes. But she was already gone.


It happened too soon.


The fact that it happened so soon must've been so sudden and upsetting for you. You have my deepest condolences.


Happy New Year Everyone.
Hope the new year will be better than the last.



I really like this picture. It's so sad.

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