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Because it's all Japanese-only. Shaft and Aniplex have made clear the international fandom will get nothing beyond the anime and a few manga. Ignoring the post-Rebellion autism, itt's too much work at this point.>>12935
What mass exodus do you speak of? The series was never really strong outside of Japan. Acclaimed, yes, but Madoka was never a household name. I know autists on here didn't like Wraith Arc, but that's a bridge into Rebellion and a good indication of where the next project is headed (unsubtle yuri undertones, more emphasis on action, stronger horror/dark fantasy vibes).
also because people so selfish like this one >>12939>>12938 >The series was never really strong outside of Japan.
Then why the movie trilogy got screenings on 12 countries? >I know autists on here didn't like Wraith Arc, but that's a bridge into Rebellion and a good indication of where the next project is headed
To be honest, Wraith Arc plot got really bad once Homura was brainwashed by Wraithdoka and the ending was a bit lacking. Glad we got new info about Wraiths though.
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Why are they selfish? Because you want to be spoon fed?
>Then why the movie trilogy got screenings in 12 other countries?
Ultra limited 2 day screenings aren't impressive.
No one outside of Japan is getting the games, no one outside of Japan is getting the merchandise, no one outside of Japan is getting the full spectrum of manga. This is so typical of Japan that I have to assume this is babby's first fandom for half the people on this board.
I've heard that they're aren't any mods for the wiki anymore, and if there were, the majority of them were probably the ones who locked certain pages to spite Rebellion and quit…
Also, if there still are, there's likely only 1 or two left who check on the site in their spare time, instead of constantly checking for bugs/updating it.
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A good start would be to remove the observation and speculation threads. If it's not stated in the main text or stated by Quartet, then I don't see why we should included random anons interpretations of the franchise. I think it would be more helpful to post quotes from interviews with people from Shaft and Quartet rather than rather than fanon.
Format wise, a Wiki is where I go to read 'facts' about a series. Rather than a Wiki, I'm seeing a lot of Tvtropes-tier content and trope formatting.
I'll use a character that isn't a power keg first:https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Sayaka_Miki
Sayaka's general information is a mess. It's a random mess of information that borders on trivial. There's no order to how things are presented and the bullet format gives off an air of illiteracy.
Secondly, it's clear that the editors were far more concerned with jerking themselves off than they were about contributing content. This speculation and observation page is out right garbage. 90% of it irrelevent to the show and just based on what some Tropers believed. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Homura_Akemi#Speculations
To use a more controversial character, let's look at Homura: without attacking or defending her character, a lot of this is either blatantly obvious shit or fan interpretation of Homura's character. Readers should just look at quotes from actual interviews with Butcher and friends (Homura's wrong, but not evil) rather than walk into the minefield that is the raging Homura dindu nuffin/did summin fanboy proxy wars that miss the whole point of Rebellion;
Because it's better to share new info than having a false sense of elitism because you know something than others don't. >>12944
Then we have elitism, which is a worse cancer. Not defending spoonfeeding though but its really pathetic if you think keeping information about a fiction work from some people is a great service to the mankind.>>2948
I agree with these, even more erasing the speculations pages, since they were obsolete since the anime ended
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The problem is new stuff isn't always important. You want to know what Shinbo said in the latest Kirara?
-Hanokage said Shinbo, Ume, Iwakami, and InuCurry came up with the base scenario that she adapted for Wraith Arc
-InuCurry was responsible for Majuuka and her character
-Mami could beat LoC Sayaka + Octavia + the familiar army in a fight>>12951
Looking at the Wiki now, I do think it's clear that many of the pages were either started by or added to by Tropers. There's a clear interpretation over facts mindset, even going as far to use phrases as "some people" in a poor effort to give a view point credence. The more I look at it, the more I believe it's not salvagable. There's some great translations dumps and info on the games and merchandise is pretty great, but that's about it.
- nuke the character pages
- leave the stuff like the PSP/VITA/Online games, episode by episidode rune translations, merchanidise pages. fan works page alone. Those are the most well dpme pages
- organize translation dumps
- update the manga pages. This could be as simple as adding character profiles to things like Tart and summaries straight from the books. Tart literally has a dramatis personae with information on all the characters
Fuck, why didn't anyone take the past year and add info on Madogatari? We have actual Mono x Mado art work!
And a well-kept wiki is the most convenient method of allowing people to educate themselves about such subjects.>>12952>fan works page
All fan-made content should be purged. Every character page has a gallery of fanart that contributes nothing. If people want a collated site for fan works, that remain on its own separate wiki.
…someone really said, "Mami could beat LoC Sayaka + Octavia + the familiar army in a fight"? Who? I mean, I totally believe Mami is the baseline strongest of the Mitakahara 5 before you start adding in time loops and accumulated karma, but that seems a bit much.
Could they be trying to pump up Mami's reputation in anticipation of the new project? She did feature heavily in the concept movie.
Fan works =/= fan art. There are plenty of memorable fan works such as Grief Syndrome. I think there should be a page dedicated to the existence of fan works because of how large the fan work community is. Madoka doujishi themselves are produced in an unprecedentes number and Urobuchi himself gives thumbs up to it. That said, fan art doesn't belong on main pages. As >>12955
said, you ahould just go to Twitter, Danbooru, Pixiv, etc for fan art.
I believe there should be one page dedicated to the fandom because Madoka is driven by its obsessive fandom.
>>12952>nuke the character pages
Disagree, they are a basic element of the wiki. However, they need to be reorganizated.>leave the stuff like the PSP/VITA/Online games, episode by episode rune translations, merchanidise pages. fan works page alone. Those are the most well dpme pages
I agree, fanworks and merchandise also needs to be updated.>organize translation dumps
This, should be a top priority>Update the manga pages. This could be as simple as adding character profiles to things like Tart and summaries straight from the books. Tart literally has a dramatis personae with information on all the characters
This one should be a top priority too
By nuke I mean start from scratch. They shouldn't be eliminated, but they should be reformatted in a mpre organized fashion. Refer to the character pages I put up from the 4 other Wikis. >>12965>Fancutfags because that's the version that people really should be watching.
No. It isn't. People should be watching the official Shaft productions, not an obsessive fanwork.
First, a Wiki doesn't encourage piracy. Second, I agree with the person above. In no other fandom would someone recommend a fan work over the original production. Third, not everyone watches anime on their PCs. Even if you don't buy the BD discs, thete are countless legal alternatives which you should use to support the creators. Fancutfags is by no means the definitive version of Madoka.
If you are the creator of the Fancutfags project, I hope you know you are a piece of shit for stating fan works are irrelevent while touting your own fan work as the definitive version of an already award winning project.
Why should people be watching something inferior? The Fancutfags release is simply better than the official version.>>12967
Many wikis encourage piracy which isn't surprising because both wikis and piracy are rooted in internet culture, and it's rare for a fan work to actually be better than anything official because usually the only thing you can do is remove things but Fancutfags merely replaced material with improved material. If you want to support the creators, buy merch. Watching Fancutfags is not mutually exclusive with that.
I'm not involved with the Fancutfags, but regardless I never said that other fan works are irrelevant, I specifically said that the wiki needs to have information on fan works because some of the fan works such as fansubs, encodes and Fancutfags are the main things that people who don't know anything want to know.
So how did you watch Madoka? There was no way to legally watch it back then. If not you, then majority of the fans outside Japan watched it through streaming or torrenting anyways. Looking at the number of downloads the torrents of the episodes have shows that.
Fancutfags are the definitive version. You claim that the original version is always the definitive one but even SHAFT doesn't think that way. Why do you think they touched it up for the blu-ray and touched it up even more for the movie? Fancutfags does nothing but combine the best version of the series (the movie) while bringing back content removed from the series.
why would you even defend any type of version if you can't even recognize the movies' quality
It's a widely accepted fact that the first movie is awfully rushed. The only reasons to watch it are curiosity to check it out once and having issues with your attention span. >>13025
It's hardly a fan version, it's literally the original series but strictly better.
>>13029>it's literally the original series but strictly better.
So is this the Madoka version of CTR?
Why not instead of pulling bullshit like "hurr durr its objectively better no questions asked" you explain why it's good and why the fuck I should care about it when I can just as easily watch the original series that I love and care about?
And what if I prefer the original series' visuals to the movie's visuals?
Hifi doesn't make everything better.
Until I don't have to watch FCF hunched over on my PC like a basement dwelling autist, I don't see a reason to treat it like it's a must watch or a definitive edition. It might derserve a one or two sentence entry on the fan work page, but it's like >>13037: it's not a fan work and directly encourages piracy. >>13031
You're wrong on that. FCF has two seperate video tracks, both at the full length of the series and both with different alterations. Watching the series and movies would be quicker.>>13040
I'd also point out that a lot of the movie alterations are just more Shinbo-isms than were in the Tv series. That retard would be hard pressed to find side by side scenes that objectively look better. Instead we get stuff like this, which have less to do with budget and everything to do with Shaft's fetish for architecture and an additional year to fuck around.
The only thing objectively better is the audio quality and voice acting. The movies have 5.1 surround sound while the series only has 2.0 stereo.
5.1 vs 2.0 would be a valid reason for the FCF to be better but I don't even have a 5.1 system so it's redundant. >>13055
1st is too plain, 3rd is too greebly. I prefer 2nd the most.
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That's exactly the version used by Fancutfags.
The original series is obviously the first one everyone should be watching. after that, each time I want to rewatch madoka, I just watch the movies wich are by far the best/most enjoyable version of all imo. I don't need to watch all 12 episodes EACH time I want to watch madoka.
About the wiki, I don't like doing things like this http://walpurgischan.net/meduka/res/12897.html
or what FCFs did (expected this to be much better than what it is), I respect the series and I don't know if what I know about it is supposed to be on a wiki page + I don't speak english.
1. I've never met an American fan who hated Rebellion that wasn't also a complete moron. Having issues with it is fine as it isn't perfect in the least, but calling yourself a fan AND hating Rebellion is a good way to broadcast that you had no clue what you were watching in the first place.
2. I think it's less a cultural thing and more a interpretation thing. Madoka Magica is about magical girls as much as Evangelion is about giant robots. The anime was aimed at the late night audience (young adults) and requires a higher level of comprehension then your average otaku pandering anime. Rebellion even more so than the series. And it certainly doesn't help that Rebellion is open ended to the point that you could write both a SoL comedy or a grimdark tragedy with evidence to support both outcomes.
Another issue is that early translations were so butchered that you almost feel like the translator has an agenda. Comments about Urobuchi being forced to write Rebellion, the cast looking at Homura (a fan favorite) with significant disdain, Shinbo laughing about how much money he's raking in etc. Comments in that vein are offensive to fans of the any franchise, so it's really no surprise that the fan base quickly polarized.
And it's disappointing, because these types of things aren't in official translations and completely kill the spirit of Rebellion.
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This is their best chance at going big again and a 4th madoka movie isn't something you would wanna rush anyways
Pretty much. They've been on record saying they would only pursue a sequel if the fans wanted it and they felt they could out do themselves.
>Akemi literally means beautiful dawn>Nightmare ends when morning comes
Reminder that Homu is the only one who can end the night that Ai refuses to end.
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>>13205>They would only pursue a sequel if they felt they could out do themselves.
I want to be believe
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I want to believe* lol
There are almost no responses in /meduka/
Enkan = Circle
Madoka = Round
God, this shit isn't hard to look up.
You can, but I'd see about trying to contact a mod first to see if you can get the chance to be an admin and unlock pages for clean up (I know 0x99 is still alive as I've contacted them before)
We can do it one at a time and worry about stuff such as translators later.
I think fanart should go. It's not really all that necessary to have them all cluttering the wiki. If people want fanart, they can search elsewhere for it.
Good thing I separated them (and official images) from the main pages. Go ahead and delete the fanart.>>13461
The side bar or the front page?
I think a little of both. We need a new page just for IOS / Android apps. Also the Titles are kind of a clusterfuck and need to be separated a bit. You have Magica record and the psp games all mixed up with the manga. It gets and looks confusing.
Separately, I like how the character pages for the Suzune characters are organized compared to the main characters for example. It has the physical info like height and eye color but it also has the wish (if confirmed) as well as the soul gem and other relevant information. I think if we can clean up the character pages in a similar manner it'll be more streamline and create a more organized wiki as far as that section goes.
A WILD MOD APPEARS! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Please voice your opinion here about Wiki cleanup. Thanks.http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Talk:Main_Page
>>13503>>13504>fan art related to the culture of the fan base
Which ones in particular?
>resources to disappear without any hope of recovery
Isn't the wiki regularly archived? We shouldn't be loosing anything.
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must the whole page be deleted?
Wiki XML dump is updated automatically every midnight (UTC), and has been for 6 years already.http://wiki.puella-magi.net/User:0x99/Maintenance_log#XML_Dump
That said, if we start a new Wiki, I do plan to keep the old one running in read-only mode, so no content will be deleted. Just that we will have a more organized Wiki to work with (leaning toward using en.puella-magi.net for the new Wiki so it could be multilingualized.)>>13507
Already restored. If you found a page blank, please go to the History tab and rollback it. Thanks!