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 No.12669[View All]

>tfw finished TDS

Can she finally have a happy ending please? This girl already suffered enough.
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 No.12870

>>12865
>Finally someone who got that
It really shouldn't be that hard to get, but here we are. Mami was refered to as Guan Yu, the Buddho-Confucian god of battle from the Ro3K. Instead of doing a simple Google search on Guan Yu or what is meant by 'god of battle' in an Asian context, you have people going on about Mami being the goddess of war just as Madoka and Homura are goddesses. Honestly, the 3 Kingdoms and the Swan Lake stuff got me excited because it seems like we will have a definitive finale (what becomes of the story's Faust/Gretchen, Nut Cracker/Maria, Yin/Yang, and now apparently Siegfried/Odile, who's 'will' emerges as the victor of the three parties we have seen challanging each other throughout the series, and who will our "god of battle' bless and fight beside in the final confrontation?). This doesn't even include what twists we will see thrown in from Nagisa, Kyouko, Sayaka, and any other actors that emerge for the new project.

 No.12875

>>12870
>Siegfried/Odile

I should point out that if they're going to use other references to literature, then Siegfried's wife in The Nibelungenlied is Gudrun, also known as Kriemhild, and she goes on a revenge streak to avenge Siegfried's murder in "Kriemhild's Revenge", part 2 of The Nibelungenlied. Hmmm…

 No.12890

>>12869

Mami and Kyouko had short but concise development, which was expanded with the drama CDs/TDS. Madoka and Sayaka had more because they're supposely the "heroines" of the series. Homura had an entire episode which is huge for a 12ep anime.

But it doesn't matter anymore because Rebellion threw everything out of window and now we have deviantart-style versions of the girls as canon, tho.

 No.12891

>>12890
don't you mean Tumblr?

 No.12974

>>12870
It's obvious Mami will fight alongside the other magical girls and against Homura. In the concept movie she was holding one of Sayaka's swords.

 No.12975

>>12974
Unless something happened that forced Homura to join the good guys again, due to having to fight an even greater threat… (Incubator resurgence, Clara Doll rebellion, wraiths, etc.)

 No.12977

>>12974
>Basing any confirmations on no context concept art

>>12975
There's a very strong possibility of two Homuras. There are two Madoka's present during the splitting. Wraith Arc alone was enough to suggest that Homura and the devil are the same being, but have seperate consciousnesses.

 No.12980

>>12977
Basing any wishful thinking about the upcoming movie on nothing at all.

 No.12987

>>12729
>>12731
>>12734
>complaining about anime on a dedicated anime imageboard
????

 No.12990

>>12987
I wasn't complaining about anime, I was complaining about tvtropes.

 No.12993

>>12990
>I was complaining about tvtropes

Then carry on.

 No.12996

>>12990
>That's precisely the reason to think that anime is trash.
>Conclusion #1: anime is liked by people who like shit.
>Conclusion #2: therefore, anime likely has similar qualities as shit.
This doesn't sound like just complaining about tvtropes to me.

 No.12997

>>12996
I said it's a reason to THINK anime is trash. I didn't say it's a reason why anime actually is trash.

 No.12998

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Reminder that Mami is a pedophile.

 No.13000

>>12998
Nothing confirmed. I don't see Mami trying to lock lips, celestial rape, or hold hands in a non platonic fashion with the cheese.

 No.13090

>>12998

I am so sick of this Mami is a pedophile meme…

1)There is ZERO canon evidence that Mami and Nagisa are anything other than friends or that Mami is interested in becoming anything other than friends. For that matter, *Mami doesn't even know that Nagisa is human* until shortly before they're pitched into an intense battle against Homura's witch. If you insist on reading Mami's attachment to "Bebe" as romantic rather than platonic, that means that she's attracted to animate, only loosely humanoid dolls, not little girls.

 No.13091

>>12998

2)Let's look at that age difference, shall we? Japan is very strict about the ages at which children can begin a certain school year, which usually begins around April 5th. Even if a child is born on April 6th and is a bonafide genius, they're out of luck and have to wait a year.

From background details, eg Homura's calender, the foliage, etc… it is extremely likely that the series takes place towards the very beginning of the school year.

Mami is in 9th grade, for which you must be 14. Unless her birthday is extremely soon after term starts, she's still 14 during the series. If her birthday squeaked in just before the start of term, she's just barely 14 and is probably technically only a few months older than the rest of the Mitakahara 5. At the oldest, she cannot possibly be 16, which is not an adult, and hence cannot by any recognizable definition of the word, be a pedophile.

But we're looking at what the age difference actually is, so, continuing on…

Nagisa isn't shown in a middle school uniform, so we can assume she hasn't started yet. Since you have to be 12 to begin 7th grade (first year of middle school in Japan), we know she isn't 13 yet.

However, Kyubey targets girls going through PUBERTY, so it's highly unlikely she's much younger, either.

 No.13092

>>12998


Most girls actually get their first period at 12, which fits with being targeted by Kyubey while not being in middle school yet. If her birthday is shortly after the enrollment cutoff date while Mami's is just before, there is barely a 2 year age difference between them. Just like there is between the couple Aang and Katara in the American made, for kids, tv show Avatar the Last Airbender. Even if Japan is fine with Lolicon, you would never be able to get that crap in front of an American children's audience.

So, if you're still insisting that Mami is a pedophile despite the complete lack of canon evidence for romantic entanglements, and the absolutely canon compliant arguments that they're neither old enough nor far enough apart in age for the term "pedophilia" to even apply, don't try to blame anyone for your interpretation but YOUR OWN sick imagination and jaw-dropping inability to use a dictionary.

 No.13094

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>>13090
>>13091
>>13092
>Mami would never do that

 No.13095

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>>13092
>Even if Japan is fine with Lolicon, you would never be able to get that crap in front of an American children's audience.

What does that have to do with anything? As far as I know, Madoka isn't aimed at children (14 up), isn't airred on US TV, and is licensed by the same company who brought Monogatari over to the US. Studio Shaft and Akiyuki Shinbo have never had a problem doing loli. Shaft has definitely pushed MamiNagi, albeit not to the degree they push MadoHomu or KyouSaya.

Mami is also 15
Nagisa is between 8 and 12
Age of consent in Japan is 14. This makes Mami a pedophile.

 No.13096

>>13095
The legal age of consent in Japan 13, however, it is illegal for people over the age of 18 to have sex with people who are 4+ years younger than them.

Not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's wrong.

 No.13097

>>13096
Then you've only strengthened my argument. Mami is a pedophile because the InuCurry notes have her down as 8 for the series and 12 for Rebellion. Hell, Nagisa spends the entire movie how much she loves eating cheese. Did you think she was talking about food?

 No.13098

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>G-g-guys my waifu isn't a pedophile

 No.13099

>>13097
No, I made your argument totally null.
There isn't a 4 year age gap between Mami and Nagisa, so it doesn't matter.

 No.13100

>>13099
She's under 13 retard. Considering the Japanese are calling Mami a pedo, I don't know why you think you're correct.

 No.13101

>>13100
The irony is in you calling other people retards but not being able to read.

Age of consent works by varying age range when under the age of 18.

17yr w/ 10yr = Illegal
13yr w/ 10yr = Legal

This really isn't that complex or hard to understand.
You are also ignoring Romeo and Juliet laws, which yes, even Japan has.

 No.13102

Pedophilia: [ped-uh-fil-ee-uh or, esp. British, pee-duh-]

noun, Psychiatry.
1.
sexual desire in an ADULT for a child.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pedophilia?s=t

Emphasis mine.

Age of majority in Japan is 20. Mami is, at oldest, 15. 15 is younger than 20. Therefore, Mami cannot be a pedophile.

Try not to use words you don't understand, dipshit(s). It's not a good look on anyone.

 No.13103

>>13094

That's not in Rebellion, so it's not canon. Even if it's official art, it still doesn't mean jack. If Shinbo and Urobutchi (the director and writer) can't even agree if the Madoka Homura speaks to in the flower field is the "real" Madoka (Shinbo says yes, Urobutchi says no) then why should we give a damn that some schmoe in marketing is a pervert and pedophile themselves?

Actual canon or shut up.

>>13095
It means a 2-year age gap is small enough between minors, even when one is 12, that even a country as sexually prudish as the US doesn't blink an eye at it. (We gave 50 Shades of Gray a hard R while France gave it a PG-13 equivalent bcs it was so tame.)

 No.13104

>>13101
>The Age of Consent in Japan is 13 years old. The age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity. Individuals aged 12 or younger in Japan are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape or the equivalent local law.
>Nagisa Momoe's age listed as 8-12

Christ you're stupid.

>>13102
>Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

Prepubescent is defined as 10-12.

>>13103
Go ask anyone if they'd be cool with a relationship between a 12 and 15 year old.

 No.13105

>>13103
Shit posting aside, on the Madoka part, you missed the point to what both Butcher and Shinbo were saying. It's the real Madoka, but it's a Madoka who is missing her complete memories. Urobuchi was talking about the writing process and how the three Madoka's were essentially three different characters. The problem with that interview is that it's from a really shitty translation from LiveJournal that had a lot of other glaring translations that were directly contradicted by officially translated interviews.

 No.13106

>>13105
addendum

We then get into the long running debate of is it really Madoka if she doesn't have all her memories? Is it closer to the 'true' Madoka because she's not burden to make a make a decision and thus her answer to Homura is honest in that setting? Is Homura fulfilling a promise to the person she loves and knows would never want to be spare dher fate? Or is she chasing a phantom that no longer exists?

Realistically we wont get any answers until the sequel as Rebellion supported multiple interpretations,

 No.13107

>>13104
Can you go back to tumblr and just stay there. Like, never post anywhere outside your small blog. Ever.

You don't even read anything you are replying to and you do not understand how age of consent works.

Two minors having sex is not the same as a person who is over the age of 18 having sex with someone who is under the age of 18.

And I like how you FULLY ignored Romeo and Juliet laws even after they were pointed out to you.

 No.13108

Looks like ack found this board.

 No.13109

>>13108
Who's that? Don't bother replying if you don't have any actual proof. Ghost hunting is one of the most obnoxious things to have ever existed.

 No.13110

>>13109
Why do you ask who ack is if you know who he is?

 No.13111

>>13110
Oh, so you have proof then?
And I don't know who ack is.
Sounds like something you made up.

 No.13113

>>13108
Holy shit it is ACK.

 No.13114

>>13107
>Individuals aged 12 or younger in Japan are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape or the equivalent local law.

>Japan does not have a close-in-age exemption. Close in age exemptions, commonly known as "Romeo and Juliet laws" in the United States, are put in place to prevent the prosecution of individuals who engage in consensual sexual activity when both participants are significantly close in age to each other, and one or both partners are below the age of consent.

>Because there is no close-in-age exemption in Japan, it is possible for two individuals both under the age of 13 who willingly engage in intercourse to both be prosecuted for statutory rape, although this is rare. Similarly, no protections are reserved for sexual relations in which one participant is a 12 year old and the second is a 13 or 14 year old.

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/japan

 No.13115

>>13113
>suddenly tons of people start yelling about some random person who yields exactly no google results
It's much more likely they you are just speaking with yourself and trying to bluster your lies with sock puppets.

 No.13116

>>13114
http://www8.cao.go.jp/youth/kenkyu/jourei/pdf_index.html
>the Children Welfare Act chapter 34 forbids any act of "fornication" (淫行) with children (here defined as anyone under 18 years of age) with prefectures and districts specifying further details in (largely similar) "obscenity ordinances" (淫行条例) like adding exemptions for sex in the context of a sincere romantic relationship (typically determined by parental approval).

 No.13117

>>13116
>Japan statutory rape law is violated when an individual has consensual sexual contact with a person under age 13. At 13, Japan's base age of consent is the lowest of any developed country. However, many prefectures also have local "corruption of minors" or "obscenity statutes" (淫行条例) which raise the de-facto age of consent to 16-18, unless they are in a "sincere romantic relationship", usually determined by parental consent.

It only applies to 13 or or over, dipshit.

 No.13118

>>13117
What you're replying to proves you wrong. Thanks for once again showing you do not actually read anything at all. You are just obsessed with this issue for some reason.
And no, that doesn't apply to people over the age of 13 or older, because then it wouldn't be an exception, it would just be the standard rule.

Again, why do you not just stay on tumblr. They are the only group of retards who are actually obsessed with this issue.

 No.13120

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I think all this arguing about legal specifics is completely missing the point.

We're dealing with fictional characters whose physical characteristics have little, if anything, to do with actual age.

Look at the literal definition as posted earlier:
>>13102
>>sexual desire in an ADULT for a child.

Now let's look at the characters. Mami, though supposedly an under-age middle schooler, certainly appears to be post-pubescent given her..ahem…assets. Not to mention her behavior in Rebellion towards Nagisa is clearly parent-like. And likewise Nagisa appears to be pre-pubescent. Physically, we're certainly talking about an "adult" and a "child".

There's nothing overtly sexual in PMMM, but fans will of course dream that up (rule 34 and all that). So assuming there is a sexual side to this it's pretty easy to see where the "pedo" angle comes from.

The arbitrary ages of anime/game characters are the complicating factor here. It's like when someone accuses an Etna fan of being a pedo only for them to spout back….but…but…she's 800+ years old. Yeah sure, she sure looks 800 to me. (pic related)

 No.13123

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>>13120
>There's nothing overtly sexual in PMMM, but fans will of course dream that up
>Implying this is a fan work

 No.13124

>>13123

I'll be in my bunk

 No.13125

>>13123

I was talking about what appears in the TV series and the movies.

I don't recall that scene from either. I do like it though!

 No.13126

>>13125
I think that might be a fan edit of official art. Or then the official art was lewder than I remember.

 No.13128

>>13125
>Homura's Dark orb wraps itself around Madoka's sealed power

This is just a visual representation.

>>13126
There's 2 versioins, both official. This one is the less lewd one. The other has Homura's knee between Madoka's legs.

 No.13129

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>>13128
It also features Madoka grabbing Homura's ass with both hands.

 No.13130

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>>13129
I like them. A lot.



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